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profiteers. the second concern is that i believe any climse claims with medical canibus should not be under the jurisdiction of the narcotics unit one remaining problem that we have at the state level, when we look at the incident reports from sfpd is the number of hours of training that make narcotics officers experts. cona, the california narcotics officers association says there is still no specifics for canibus and it criminalizes all of you. it comes from the bush and reagan dug war that fails -- drug war that fills prisons without any solution. i believe they have failed the police academy. there is a pending investigation, if we are able to
free -- i hope the district attorney will soon revise her board on medical canibus. of course code violation need to go to the planning department. these are fines and fractions, and fix it. this is not criminal activity. this is community-based medicine. we must create many levels of compliance, including a voluntary registry, perhaps standardized collective forms and make in-roads for protecting community-based medicine and public safety. i hope that we can mandate our monthly community meetings with the commander so that the community always has a voice. as you know, we also have a medical canibus task force that has had its first meet, and hopefully at its second will nominate a liaison to wo -- that
working group. i also have an interest in what judges are issuing warrants for canibus that warrants lowest priority. i think everyone in our community would like to see a price tag on the raise that have occurred this year. i think that's a valid public concern. and in closing, i'd like to speak to community cultivateors, and i would like to ask them to enact their myrrh andia -- miranda rights immediately when dealing with a law enforcement encounter. i would encourage them to take pictures of their post-ed collective equipment, agreement, and store this with a legal representative off site, and not to cultivate more than 25% of a family home. leave your emergency contacts with loved ones and
compassionate neighbors that may witness a raid. and last but not least, educate your neighborhood groups, because if you don't, who will? thank you very much. [applause] >> we also have reverend randy webster. >> good evening, commissioners. i hope you can hear me. ok. i was at the san francisco patient's cooperative for over eight years, the compassionate organization. and i can speak on behalf of the fact that these collect yiffs are not just about safe access of medical canibus, these are community organizations that also look after other aspects of their patients' well being, not limbed to food and other issues of survival.
other things you have to be concerned about is the distinction. you have to understand from the get-go, these gardens, which are put in there at heavy expense of patients and providers, and they are very different from your criminal element. we have to prevent the community medicines from being included in criminal investigations. from the investigation level on out. this includes the warrant isn't just from the odor of canibus. the odor of c -- canibus is not evidence of canibus itself. in is incense that smells just like canibus, but is not.
i agree that we should go through the building and planning commission, but also do it in a price-tiered scenario so the individual grower growing just for them self in their own household is not out-priced as would be for growing for a collective. that is essential. [applause] we have a lot of people that would be willing to donate t we have a lot of people that would be willing to donate their time to help educate the police force. >> over 25% of the house, you shouldn't use anymore than thafment you are living there. it is not a farm. in closing, the police of san francisco a model to every other city and county in our country.
it is an honor to live leer and know that our medical canibus community is working hand in hand with you. thank you very much. >> i can address all of you. i think this has been really helpful. terminology really defines the attitude, how you are going to respond. so when i saw the department a few months ago referring to the medical marijuana canibus dispenspensri as "pot," "dope"
somewhat derogatory. i think we are in a new time now. we are talking about medical can ibus, we're talking about compassionate growers. i really want inform know what state training is, if it has anything to do with what the hours are. i want to know what the officers in general are getting, but in particular what the narcotics officers are getting, because i think everyone should know what the state law is and everyone should know how to respond to medical canibus. and i think they should also be brought into the 21st century technology. if department people are going to call it dope and marijuana and not recognize it as medical canibus, i want to recognize that. that is one thing we can work on for the future. [applause] the second thing, terminology is
really important. also, our office, sanctuary policy, san francisco kind of law, i think it is really important. i'd love to see how you continue to meet with the group and see what the registry -- how the registry comes about, hopefully if it comes about, what's going on with the registry. one other thing, the education and volunteer. and the safety issues. if it is part of that registry, if we can -- at least people who are on the register, if there is a violation that is being dealt with, the fire department, fix-it tickets, rather than taking down very expensive equipment and disrupting the medical canibus. so it is going to be an ongoing thing as far as i'm concerned, but i would wait until after the election so we can see if the bulletin needs to be updated,
where we are with the registry, and i wouldn't mind a heads up on what the training actually is, so if there isn't any training, we can get training at the department and academy level as well that incorporate rates sanctuary policy as well as our own. >> we'll update that. commissioner dejesus: and i do want to thank you. if we have any future presentations, i would like a difference between legal growers vs. compassionate growers. with the compassionate growers, i think we should weed that out. no pun intended.
>> thank you very much. >> i have a question for >> i have a question for the three speakers. i ask this question for a risk to people not understanding it, but that's me. i think the commander said there are a number of dispensaries, but the commission said there will be more. president marshall: there are 22 now, there are eight applications pending. >> so at the risk of people not getting it, i will tell you now, do you know of anybody not doing this business correctly? ed because the dispensaries that
are not doing it correctly, it puts you in jeopardy. people take advantage of any kind of system. somebody said, i don't have a reason to know that because you don't have to come here. i think it behooves everybody to be up to code, up to speed. so i'm wondering if you know people that don't do that, and if you are telling them, you have to follow it, because it puts the people doing it right in jeopardy. that is a tough question, but it is something i think needs to be asked. i'm asking you, because this is your business, and you want to make sure it is done correctly, and don't want it to be jeopardized. >> that's a very interesting
question. we had one raid on the federal level about a year ago, and i went up on and i knocked on the d.e.a.'s door, and i asked them, why are you in san francisco? this is a sanctuary? et cetera? he said to me, shona, what are you doing about self-regulation? luckily i was able to say, we have a medical advisory task force legislation in place. i am trying to unite the community to bring forward the public relations campaigns that we need so that every cu ltivator, whether they enter the n.c.d., the health department, or even if they go to the sfpd, they can understand the direction and the compassionate community of san francisco. i would also add on to that, my
concerns go above and beyond legal or illegal and spending money for fancy storefronts and becoming civic leaders to compassionate care. i think there are several areas that as committees we can out-reach and do the information necessary, because by all means, it is not only the sfpd that needs to educate their community, we need to educate our community, and we need to bring those two communities together and exchange that education in a productive manner. that -- thank you for your question. president marshall: that's good enough for me, unless you have something to add to that. commissioner onek: yeah, i kind of do.
perfect compliance is pretty difficult to undertake. in terms of the people that the compassionate community wants to accept into its votes, i don't know a single person that uses hard drugs or carries weapons. within our community, it is intolerable. most people are scared. they are scared to comply. they are scared to come out in the open. they are scared to talk about this. they are ignorant for a reason, and that is because the likelihood of suffering. i think in our circles you will find some amazingly compliant operators who have made strides, but out in the greater community there are a lot of problems. they are nothing other than annoyances, but they make us look bad.
no question. it is complicated. [applause] president marshall: thank you. >> so we have a little more work to do. thank you very much. commissioner dejesus: thank you very much for working on this and hopefully we can continue to move forward on this. >> so we can take public comment on this item now. president marshall: how many people want to speak on this item? ok. if it is not too many, can we say two minutes? let's make it two minutes. i appreciate that. thank you very much. >> good evening, supervisor. a couple weeks ago we sent a letter to the building of inspections.
in that particular instance, electricity was being taken from the grid which is a actual criminal violation of the penal code. there was also a concern about safety. that is an investigation that is ongoing from the department. we want the commissioners to be ongoing from the department. we want the commissioners to be aware, what happened with staff level. this is an issue of concern to neighborhoods. whether it is for medicinal purposes, stealing electricity is important. when people steal electricity from the grid, other rate payers are forced to pay more. we look forward to all the parties working together. we hope with acceptable electricity, that the various departments can be brought to bear. i did bring copies of the letter that supervisor alioto referred to, and we did also a copy to
the police chief. in was actually a fire a few days later, and that was the result of a grill, and we don't have the details whether those roads would compete or not. there is a question in our low-density residential neighborhoods, whether used for whatever reason, whether it is legal or not, pose yis a safety problem to neighbors. we will continue to work on that over the next few months. >> thank you. >> hello, my name is mike. there are a couple concerns i have. first of all, a lot of people thinking outside the box and a lot of people stretching themselves beyond their traditional roles here. one thing i see, i have a tremendous amount of friends out there in the real world. there are a lot of people that are using illicit drugs that are harmful. they are using marijuana as a
harm reduction. by would like to see some consideration to these people that are trying to walk away from something that is harmful and trying to walk toward something less harmful to them. i know a lot of people here aren't real supporters of the gun issue. there is a right to bear arms in this country. i don't own one. i don't need one. but it makes me feel a little funny just because there happens to be a firearm in a residence. if it were not unthe arm, if it was still protected under the right to bear arms, if that gun hasn't been pointed at somebody, and as it is a right to bear arms thing. i don't know, personally, there is something funny going on there.
the biggest thing is, when you fwinde find something that isn't in compliance, bring it into compliance. i'm hearing a lot of that. [applause] . >> there are so many of us, when we were younger smoking weed for the first time, we were breaking the rules. if you find us brake breaking the rules and there was a way to bring us into compliance, i would love to see that approach. that's about it. >> thank you, sir. >> i'm speaking on behalf of a lot of patients who cannot attend here because they are ill. if did were not for medical canibus, i would not be standing here to attest to the benefits. i was hit by a drunk driver. because i was hit -- because of
medical canibus and other holistic methods, i am standing here before you. there are needless and unjustified raids. they were raided, and they took all their medicine, however the d.a. still took their growing materials, and the very next day they reopened. i think there was no point in that situation. they took away my medicine, all of our medicine that we need to heal ourselves. i think we need to stop wasting tax payer dollars on unjustified raids. many people can't be here tomorrow on what a beneficial
aid medical marijuana can be for them. for them i am here, and i appreciate your time. thank you. >> commissioner, it is very appropriate this was being heard today, because on monday night at our monthly meeting, we had two potential canibus club groups on mission street at our meeting. one of the things we're not going to argue about is that even with my organization we are not very compassionate. and the older member, although we do have younger members our age, they are compassionate. one of the things -- two of the speakers were in the audience at our meet ong monday night. one of the things i think -- and it was stated earlier by the --
by commander loftus in his demonstration that there are building inspections, planning, department of public health, the city attorney, the district attorney, and the one thing that came up on monday night was a trust issue. i'm two blocks from my house, and there was a raid, and it was an illegal operation. i think that is something we want to get away from. we want the canibus clubs to come in. i don't know that on the 5500 block we need two, because we have never had to deal with this before, but we have to not only educate the dentist that's been there 35 years or the pioneer supply club that's been there almost 40 years, but we have to makes sure sort of like you live next door to somebody and the house sells and they put in three illegal bedrooms and bathrooms without getting bl per
-- getting building permits, we need to educate people that these are building permits. this is a good thing for people in need. [bell] >> i'm nicholas hotenberg. i am to be a corporal security guard the last eight years in san francisco where i was born. i also was a corporal volunteer civil militia. having worked as a security guard at several medical marijuana dispensaries over the years, the one thing i've noticed is that frequently they don't have at many clubs properly trained security guards. i do think that is an important issue that should be ad dre dress -- addressed. also another subject, i read the
census problems they are having a pilot problem next year, i heard, with 15 citizens who will be on an on-call basis. i would like to put my name in the hat for thafment you -- in the hat for that. we have a lot of car vandalisms in our area. i have been after these guys for years, and i have some scars to prove it. i think an on-call police that are citizens would be helpful to san francisco would be helpful because of the staffing ricks and so on. >> next speaker, please. >> are we talking prop 19 or what? it seemed like the biggest opponents of the medical
marijuana is the prop 19 people. i think the assistant chief knows that that is one of the lowest priorities on sfpd's radar is marijuana. i walk down market street every day. i see them. i've seen cops right by a guy smoking a joint. come on, we have bigger things to worry about, we have bigger fish to friday. i had a guy on crack. he had 28 murders. that's 50%. actually he's got a 51.4 perforate. --% rate. correct? president marshall: no comment. >> we're doing a great job out here. joe garritty, the best
appointment we ever had. thanks, jeff? president marshall: anymore speakers on this particular issue? yes, sir. >> good evening, commissioners. my name is david owen. thank you for addressing this issue. i spent number of years coming in and out of this room in a different role at the board of supervisors. at the time we were regulating supervisors. there was one commission i have never spoken before. thank you for the staff in your department who are working so closely with various folks in this community. it is laudable. i work in a slightly different capacity. it is the same collect yiffs of various sizes and various parts of california. one year in san francisco and elsewhere. i want to stress there are many areas of cultivation which fit in the structure legally for how this should occur. i want to encourage you as this process goes forward to consider
what some other juries dicks have already done. san francisco in 2005, when we led in this area, were leaders. san francisco and oakland were inventing the idea. the determine "dispensary" didn't exist. now there are many areas that have addressed dispension -- napa, and many other places. they have bifurcated between individual cultivation in homes, for example, in napa where it can't exceed 25% of the residential facility, and then they are defined differently anywhere, to cultivate on larger scales and regulating those uses and creating land use for them. i know it is a lot to bite off, and it was als a complicated topic. but thank you for initiating
this conversation and encourage you to involve more people in it who are approaching this issue from a variety of ways, especially from the small patient collect yiffs to the dispensaries. we have 2 of them in "san francisco chronicle." thank you very much. bell bell [bell] >> good evening commissioners, my name is david aldridge. i was one of the sponsors of the 1982 medical marijuana initiative. i wanted to butt in a historic note. the first time the citizens of san francisco voted for consult vation of marijuana was in november 1972 when 54% supported the california medical marijuana initiative. our vote has gone up every time we have had an opportunity to vote on it in san francisco. we have now come to the time
that we are finally, after more than 30 years of being interested in having cultivation and marijuana in san francisco, we are finally working out the actual politics of doing that. i applaud you, commissioners. i applaud you and everyone who has been working on this for a long time. what we need is, first of all, something i said in 1972, what we want is free legal back yard marijuana, which is the right of every person to grow their own in their own small states without violating city codes. secondly, please do not go the oakland route. we need the diversity and the different qualities that individuals grow and when they have some excess, they put it on the market for the clubs. that is a